he didn't know about, you know, the nsa with merkel. he didn't know about any of that irs stuff. he didn't know about the problem with the whistle -- all i know is he's mad. he is mad about -- well, he's mad about the merkel thing. he's definitely mad about the irs. i think he's still mad about the website. nobody is madder than him about the website. so i figure he's probably mad about this biden thing. but to be not consulted -- young he was consulted on the biden thing? these people are making all these decisions? >> i'm sure he was consulted on the biden thing. >> this would be one of those things, joe, where they're poll testing. these campaigns are big, sprawling enterprises. a lot of people running around. >> eamon, that's praet big thing. when is the last time a vice president was dropped after the first term? >> no question, no question. it's a huge thing. and, you know, clearly -- >> how far do we think it goes? >> that's my question, how far does it really get? and i have to read the book to see what they've reported. but the question is, how far did it get or was it s